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		<title>Imbibe and some lessons to be learned</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
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The recent Imbibe show was a curious demonstration of the divisions in the alcohol business, and hopefully one that will encourage things to change.
In a lightly packed Earls Court 2, Imbibe Magazine brought together players from the worlds of wine, spirits, beer (mainly from the craft world, not big brands) and a few mixed others such [...]]]></description>
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<p>The recent <a href="http://imbibe.com/2010">Imbibe show</a> was a curious demonstration of the divisions in the alcohol business, and hopefully one that will encourage things to change.</p>
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<p>In a lightly packed <a href="http://www.eco.co.uk/">Earls Court 2</a>,<a href="http://www.imbibe.com"> Imbibe Magazine</a> brought together players from the worlds of wine, spirits, beer (mainly from the craft world, not big brands) and a few mixed others such as <a href="http://www.teapigs.co.uk/">Teapigs</a> (&#8230; though strangely no coffee I could find). It was very interesting to see the effort spent not just on the exhibition, but also the 5(!) separate seminar areas.</p>
<p>I was only there briefly, mainly to say hello to people I know and to get to know the event. I was not disappointed in that &#8211; lots of familiar faces were among the crowd, but the crowd itself also included a lot of new faces you do not see at existing events &#8211; bar staff!</p>
<p>Therein lies the rub.</p>
<p>Bar staff do not <span style="text-decoration: underline;">buy</span> alcohol for their business, but they do <span style="text-decoration: underline;">influence</span> what alcohol is sold to consumers. In other words, the main behaviour that this show might influence was <strong>not</strong> the action of <span style="text-decoration: underline;">getting products listed</span> in bars and restaurants, but <span style="text-decoration: underline;">ensuring the products are poured when they already are</span>.</p>
<h3><em>Almost all wine stands had tables around the edges of the stand, &#8230; creating a physical and psychological barrier</em></h3>
<p><a href="http://www.imbibe.com"><img class="alignleft" title="Imbibe 2010" src="http://imbibe.com/img/imbibe2010/logo-2010event.png" alt="" width="220" height="220" /></a>In the case of spirits, with lots of BIG brands with broad distribution, this is very useful. It is a chance to encourage existing customers to recall your brand and incentivise them to sell more &#8230; but that only works if the staff already know the brand and have it available to them. With tens of thousands of wines available in the UK alone, this is highly unlikely for the wine brands.</p>
<p>What particularly stood out for me was the difference in the approach to customers taken by the spirits brands compared to the wine stands, and it seems I was not alone in this view &#8211; even the editor of Imbibe, Chris Losh agrees (see his <a href="http://www.just-drinks.com/comment/comment-wine-so-much-still-to-learn-from-spirits_id101484.aspx">Just-Drinks column here</a>)</p>
<p>Almost all wine exhibitors had tables around the edges of the stand, each with dozens of different wines available to taste, creating a physical and psychological barrier between taster/outside and exhibitor/inside. They probably intended this as a benefit; &#8220;Look at all my wines you can try.&#8221; Instead, it looked more like a gauntlet for any passing attendee to run.</p>
<p>Wine was coming across as challenging, testing and exclusive, something to be examined and learned rather than enjoyed.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the spirits stands were focused on many fewer products, maybe even just one. Their boundaries were open &amp; inviting. The stands themselves included music, carpets, sofas, mock bars, tables and chairs. Attendees were invited to join in, rest and spend time experiencing the brand &#8230; and maybe also interacting with the exhibitor.</p>
<p>Which do you think might be the more effective of the two?</p>
<p>In the end, wine stands often had more staff than visitors, whilst dozens of visitors congregated in groups to chat and enjoy themselves on the spirits stands.</p>
<p>There will always be the issue of budgets. Spirits are products with big margins and bigger promotional budgets. They can afford to work on loyalty and relationships because they often already have distribution for their products, and drinkers expect to find the same brands in each bar. This forces new products to do the same and arrive not only with unique products, but with marketing plans and promotional budgets. It means that launching a new spirit brand is expensive, but the rewards are potentially high.</p>
<p>How might wine replicate some of that success?</p>
<p>It may be time for wine to stop trying to &#8220;educate&#8221; customers and consumers and more time entertaining and involving them.</p>
<p>If the Imbibe exhibition has another edition, I wonder if we will see a different approach?</p>
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		<title>Shock! Wine blog helps to sell wine</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
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What is a &#8220;social media sale&#8221;? The answer is simple. A bottle, or more, of wine purchased where a post on a social media platform significantly influenced that behaviour. Measuring how much of this happens is another thing altogether.
Did this wine sell because of Social Media? YES! (see below)
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<p><a href="http://www.oddbins.com/products/productDetail.asp?productcode=77957"><img class="alignleft" title="El Cayado" src="http://www.oddbins.com/product_images/Detail/77957_bottle.jpg" alt="" width="120" height="200" /></a>What is a &#8220;social media sale&#8221;? The answer is simple. A bottle, or more, of wine purchased where a post on a social media platform significantly influenced that behaviour. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Measuring</span> how much of this happens is another thing altogether.</p>
<p>Did this wine sell because of Social Media? YES! (see below)</p>
<p>Would a survey on &#8220;Does Social Media affect your wine buying habits?&#8221; have picked it up? I HIGHLY doubt it.</p>
<p>This is why I find critics of the potential of new channels to promote and help sell wine frustrating (as discussed on <a href="http://www.rebeccagibb.com/index.php/site/posts/wine_blogs_does_anybody_read_them/">Rebecca Gibb&#8217;s interesting post here</a>).</p>
<p>I happen to like wine (you may know that). I happen to enjoy Spanish wines (you may know that too). I like to explore the subject, and read others&#8217; suggestions. I also respect certain writers more than others, so when they recommend something, I listen.</p>
<p>All these things came together when Jamie Goode recommended the &#8220;<a href="http://www.wineanorak.com/wineblog/wine-reviews/a-thrillingly-good-inexpensive-mencia">thrillingly good mencia</a>&#8221; called <strong>El Cayado</strong> on his blog, so I set out to try and taste it.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for me, <a href="http://www.oddbins.com">Oddbins</a> is a pale imitation of its former self*. There are no shops in my part of London, and when I did make a trek to find an open shop, neither of the shops I found had even heard of it, never mind stocked it. I was out of luck. I gave up. One LOST &#8220;social media sale&#8221;.</p>
<p>Then a few weeks later I was on my way to a friend&#8217;s house for a BBQ and forgot to bring a bottle (it happens to the best of us). I knew there was an Oddbins around the corner so I popped in and asked the staff if they had &#8220;that new Mencia on their list?&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;No, sorry sir&#8221; came the answer. Then I turned around and I happened to see a <span style="text-decoration: underline;">whole shelf</span> of these wines. Oh dear! Almost ANOTHER lost &#8220;social media sale&#8221;.</p>
<p>I did pick up a bottle and gave it as a gift to my friends, along with the disclaimer that I had not tried it myself, but that it came highly recommended by someone I trust. Finally, <strong>1 GAINED &#8220;social media sale&#8221;.</strong></p>
<p>1 week later I received an email from my friend saying;</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>&#8220;</strong><strong><em>Hope you don’t mind me asking but over the weekend we opened the red wine you very kindly gave us the other week – and I have to say it was amazing. Hit all the right notes. &#8230; (we) both loved this one, wondered &#8230; where I could get a case from?&#8221;</em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>BINGO</strong>! [Robert does a little "social media wine sales rock!" dance]</p>
<p>Now, if you ask my friend &#8230; &#8220;Do you use the internet to source wines?&#8221;, guess what her answer will be? No!</p>
<p>You tell me, can you imagine any other ways that blogs, twitter, facebook et al might also influence people directly or indirectly to buy wine? Of course you can.</p>
<p>Saying that it is hard to measure what effect blogs and twitter have on wine sales is one thing, saying that they<a href="http://www.wineintelligence.com/2010/07/15/where-are-uk-consumers-getting-their-information-about-wine-from-hint-it%E2%80%99s-not-facebook/"> don&#8217;t influence behaviour</a> because you can&#8217;t measure it is another.</p>
<p>Have you got any stories of how you, or your friends, have bought (or sold) wine as a direct result of online content? Do let me know so we can help to correct this perception.</p>
<p>* This is true of the stock in the shops, the motivation of most of the staff I have met, and &#8230; what the hell is going on with their website? Note, for example, that this <a href="http://www.wineanorak.com/wineblog/wine-reviews/a-thrillingly-good-inexpensive-mencia">MENCIA</a> wine is categorised as 100% Monastrell.</p>
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		<title>Virgin to tempt US consumers?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 09:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>robert</dc:creator>
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It&#8217;s a bit if speculation, but I&#8217;m guessing that Virgin Wines is about to start targeting US consumers having been built up in the UK.
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<p>It&#8217;s a bit if speculation, but I&#8217;m guessing that Virgin Wines is about to start targeting US consumers having been built up in the UK.</p>
<p>Since they started they&#8217;ve always been at <a href="http://www.virginwines.com">www.virginwines.com</a> which, when they started (as one if the longest lasting players in this space), was sensible as country specific domains such as .co.uk were still misunderstood and mistrusted.</p>
<p>It seems that they are transferring their existing site to the <a href="http://www.virginwines.co.uk">www.virginwines.co.uk</a> URL and asking bloggers who had included links to their old site to change all their links (a <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pita">PITA</a> for no specific reward other than doing a favour for our readers and their Google visibility).</p>
<p>Why would they do that? Presumably because they have separate plans for the .com URL</p>
<p>I have not seen any announcement about a US consumer launch, but it makes sense to expect one. It will be interesting to see how the model works in the complex US market, and what that means, also, for the UK business.</p>
<p>If they have a much bigger market they could end up simply sourcing more volume lines, or they could increase their buying power for more, small parcels of greater interest, we shall see.</p>
<p>Anyone know any more about this? Presumably someone at Virgin Wines is watching <img src='http://wineconversation.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Buy your iPhone 4 en primeur</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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Sometimes the wine world seems baffling. Take the term &#8220;en primeur&#8221; for example.
Every year, for weeks and months (and getting longer), the wine world is abuzz with the &#8220;campaign&#8221; to sell Bordeaux from the latest vintage. A small selection of wineries from the world&#8217;s most famous wine region generate massive enthusiasm [...]]]></description>
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<p>Sometimes the wine world seems baffling. Take the term &#8220;<a class="zem_slink" title="En primeur" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_primeur">en primeur</a>&#8221; for example.</p>
<p>Every year, for weeks and months (and getting longer), the wine world is <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23bdx09">abuzz</a> with the &#8220;campaign&#8221; to sell <a class="zem_slink" title="Bordeaux wine" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bordeaux_wine">Bordeaux</a> from the latest vintage. A small selection of wineries from the world&#8217;s most famous wine region generate massive enthusiasm for wines that only a handful of &#8220;experts&#8221; have ever tried, selling them years before they will be bottled and leave the winery, and for figures that make bankers weep for the fact their bonuses simply aren&#8217;t big enough.</p>
<p>It seems very odd.</p>
<p>Many point to this complex, elitist and expensive system to demonstrate how out of touch the wine world has become.</p>
<p>Yet, today I find myself in the middle of a series of other &#8220;en primeur&#8221; campaigns.</p>
<p><a class="zem_slink" title="Apple" rel="homepage" href="http://www.apple.com"><strong>Apple</strong></a><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"> is the </span></strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>master at this game</strong></span>. In the last few weeks we have seen the &#8220;pre-order&#8221; frenzy for both <a href="http://www.apple.com/ipad">iPads</a> and the <a class="zem_slink" title="iPhone" rel="homepage" href="http://www.apple.com/iphone">iPhone 4</a>. These are products only a handful of &#8220;experts&#8221; have ever tried, being sold to consumers days or weeks before they will be shipped, and for figures that certainly make YOUR bank manager raise her eyebrows.</p>
<p>This is all stage-managed to generate excitement, the illusion of scarcity, the social value of one-upmanship and the insatiable demand for innovation.</p>
<p>Maybe it is the rest of the wine world that is out of touch? We all like a bit of showmanship and prestidigitation from time to time, &#8230; don&#8217;t we!?</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 16:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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I have lots of things I want to do with this blog, and my friends at Gigantic Design are helping me create a new look &#38; feel to help make them happen.
It will still take me a while to launch it, but while I make those preparations, here is a sneak-preview of the new WineConversation.com [...]]]></description>
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<p>I have lots of things I want to do with this blog, and my friends at <a href="http://www.gigantic-design.com">Gigantic Design</a> are helping me create a new look &amp; feel to help make them happen.</p>
<p>It will still take me a while to launch it, but while I make those preparations, here is a sneak-preview of the new <a href="http://wineconversation.com">WineConversation.com</a> logo which was shown at <a href="http://2010.londonwinefair.com/">London Wine Trade Fair</a> (LIWF) on the Access Zone stand.</p>
<div class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 415px"><img alt="" src="http://img.skitch.com/20100528-qswa12ux15crfe5enrhtt8b18.jpg" title="WineConversation.com logo" height="257" width="405"><p class="wp-caption-text">WineConversation.com Logo</p></div>
<p>What do you think?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d LOVE your feedback on it, positive and negative, before it is &#8220;baked-in&#8221; to the site. I like it and what it says (!), I hope you do too.</p>
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Last week, the brilliant Josh Hermsmeyer at Capozzi Winery (also known as @PinotBlogger) posted a controversial post entitled: Why I Quit Facebook, And Why Wineries Should As Well &#8211; it is well worth a read.
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<p>Last week, the brilliant Josh Hermsmeyer at <a href="http://www.pinotblogger.com">Capozzi Winery</a> (also known as <a href="http://twitter.com/pinotblogger">@PinotBlogger</a>) posted a controversial post entitled: <a href="http://www.pinotblogger.com/2010/05/17/why-i-quit-facebook-and-why-every-winery-should-as-well/">Why I Quit Facebook, And Why Wineries Should As Well</a> &#8211; it is well worth a read.</p>
<p>Josh manages to combine a great marketing mind with a brilliant passion for making wine, great technical knowledge and an ability to communicate (yes, a bit of a hero to me). It is just a shame that I may never get a chance to taste his wines. However, his posts are always worth reading.</p>
<p><strong>Having said that, I disagree with him on this one.</strong></p>
<p>The conclusion of his post is summed up as:</p>
<blockquote><p>Bottom line: Even if you never plan to advertise or otherwise leverage  Facebook’s “social graph,” <strong>You do not want your brand tainted,  even by association, by the sh*tstorm that is engulfing Facebook.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>His argument is that the kinds of activities that <a href="http://www.facebook.com">Facebook</a> has been accused of entering into should not be condoned, and that if you are a winery (or any business) on Facebook, you will be tainted by it by association:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; there can be no doubt that the risks of maintaining a presence on, and  thus providing a tacit endorsement of, Facebook far outweigh any  benefits you can possibly think to imagine. Act accordingly.</p></blockquote>
<p>You can read his report and <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;hs=Sgx&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;tbs=blg%3A1&amp;q=facebook+privacy&amp;btnG=Search&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=&amp;aql=&amp;oq=&amp;gs_rfai=">plenty other reports</a> out there about what Facebook is <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10125260.stm">accused of doing</a>, but essentially it seems to be about breach of trust. In his view, that breach is so serious that he simply cannot be part of the network. That is his decision. It is also the conclusion of many other influential individuals such as <a href="http://calacanis.com/2010/05/21/im-deleting-my-facebook-page-today/">Jason Calacanis</a> and <a href="http://www.quitfacebookday.com/">many thousands of others</a>.</p>
<p>I respect Josh&#8217;s principled stand. In the comments he says:</p>
<blockquote><p>Even if you are using Facebook just to have a conversation where your  customers are, you are tacitly endorsing the medium. I can’t do that  any longer. I owe the peeps more than just looking out for my brand’s  interests.</p>
<p>My actions are communicating to them louder than any wall post what I  value, what Capozzi values, and where we draw the line in terms of  where commerce ends and a trusting, worthwhile relationship begins.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wineries who are on Facebook may well be there simply to engage with their customers around the world. This is <strong>still</strong> one of the best places to do that, even if I do recommend that this is just a means of taking that relationship elsewhere (like a winery&#8217;s own blog).</p>
<p>Essentially, I don&#8217;t believe that having a business presence on Facebook &#8220;tacitly endorses&#8221; whatever may or may not be going on behind the scenes between Facebook and their advertisers with our data any more than running a local wine shop &#8220;endorses&#8221; dubious commercial property deals by banks.</p>
<p>Wineries NEED to communicate with their customers, and if the customers are on Facebook and are willing and eager to engage there, then wineries will have a presence there. IF there are privacy concerns, there is no &#8220;ethical duty&#8221; to disengage with the network. It is not the business&#8217; or brands&#8217; role to make decisions for their customers about these things. As long as they are part of the network they can &amp; should lobby for things to change and do their best to communicate this to their friends and customers.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>&#8220;The REAL issue is that this is a closed network that is trying to  justify, and monetise, itself &#8230;&#8221;</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>As I write this I hear that <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10157454.stm">new privacy arrangements</a> are being made by Facebook. I&#8217;m dubious that this will quell the discontent fully.</p>
<p>The REAL issue is that this is a closed network that is trying to justify, and monetise, itself by getting bigger and offering even more options to everyone. I don&#8217;t believe it can do this without getting too complex. It is getting so big that the revenues it needs to achieve become astronomical, encouraging &#8220;extreme&#8221; behaviour. We need to keep an eye out and complain, but not necessarily run away.</p>
<p>There is a precent for this. <a class="zem_slink" title="AOL" rel="homepage" href="http://www.aol.com/">AOL</a> grew exponentially by educating millions of us about the internet. However, eventually we grew tired of the walled playground and we left it for the more exciting <a class="zem_slink" title="World Wide Web" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web">WWW</a>. Facebook introduced many individuals and businesses to the Social Web. The time will come when many of them will cut the apron strings and venture off into the wider social world. But not yet.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Please read Josh&#8217;s full post AND the comments. This is a wonderful example of what kind of conversation a blog can create. This is Josh&#8217;s topic, but anyone can respond, disagree or agree, and he engages with all of them to clarify and refine the message.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 22:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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Last week, the London International Wine Fair (#LIWF) saw the arrival of a new breed of exhibitor. This one was called &#8220;The Access Zone&#8221;.
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<p><a href="http://wineconversation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/IMG_4204.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1147" title="The LIWF Access Zone" src="http://wineconversation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/IMG_4204-225x300.jpg" alt="" width="225" height="300" /></a>Last week, the London International Wine Fair (<a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23liwf">#LIWF</a>) saw the arrival of a new breed of exhibitor. This one was called &#8220;The Access Zone&#8221;.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23AccessZone">Access Zone </a>was a combination of Press Office, Lecture Theatre, Consultancy Office, Networking Zone, Business Centre, Free Wi-Fi Spot and Sales Platform.</p>
<p>Instead of a stand being directed by a single company or brand, or acting as a neutral information or service point, The Access Zone was a place where ideas were exchanged, wines tasted and business contacts made. In many ways it was an exhibition within an exhibition. You can <a href="http://www.catavino.net/services/london-international-wine-fair-live/">read some of the results here</a> (thanks to <a href="http://twitter.com/gabriellaopaz">@gabriellaopaz</a>)</p>
<p>The organisers of the LIWF invited Ryan &amp; Gabriella Opaz of <a href="http://www.catavino.net">Catavino.net</a>, and my partners in The <a href="http://winebloggersconference.org/europe/contact-us/">European Wine Bloggers Conference</a> (<a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23ewbc">EWBC</a>), to help put together a site dedicated to Social Media in the wine business as part of the main event. This &#8216;hub&#8217; was then home to all sorts of individuals and companies that wanted to explore the possibilities of social media for promoting wine, including this site as one of the main sponsors.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>The users determined the content</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>What made this stand different was that all sorts of people in the trade were invited to give talks relating to social media tools and strategies. There were interactive talks on using facebook for wineries, wine fault seminars, promoting films, wine blending, personal branding (my own contribution), the launch of the EWBC 2010 in <a href="http://www.austrianwine.com">Austria</a>, and more. The USERS determined the content, then stayed there to help others. It was about bringing our online social networks to life, and as such it was important to have the right people at the centre who could motivate and attract an interesting group of friends.</p>
<p>What did we discover? Well, in a show affected by the economic downturn and volcanic ash related travel woes, it was good to have a positive message to discuss. This was especially true online, but also in the trade press. The wine business is very interested in the potential of social media, but still uncertain as to how to achieve this. Having people there, not just us &#8216;consultants&#8217;, but practitioners, brands with experience and brands who invest in social marketing, they were able to get a better overall picture.</p>
<p><a href="http://wineconversation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/IMG_4220.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1148" title="The LIWF Access Zone in action" src="http://wineconversation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/IMG_4220-300x225.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="225" /></a>The stand was always busy, with a variety of bigger and smaller exhibitors coming to attend talks or meet someone on the stand, including <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/11853191">generic wine bodies</a>, <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/11935932">wine journalists</a> and <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/11840127">winemakers</a>. The stand also hosted <a href="http://www.nakedwines.com">Naked Wines</a>&#8216; <a href="http://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=11238&amp;Itemid=66">spectacular selection process</a> where their &#8216;angels&#8217; selected a wine (<a href="http://www.vimeo.com/11863465">video</a>) to import which then sold out in less than 24 hours! (<a href="http://www.vimeo.com/catavino">more videos here</a>)</p>
<p>The Access Zone is not necessarily a model for every future exhibition. In reality, embracing social media is something ALL exhibitors should do, but while adoption is still very low and exhibitors and visitors are interested in learning more in a non-commercial atmosphere, the Access Zone model is probably one that more exhibitions around the world should emulate. I suspect that many other wine events will now look to have such a space, and will invite key players from around the globe to fill it.</p>
<p>Did you come along? What did you think? Worth repeating? Was there other content you would have liked to see?</p>
<p>Well done <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/11936813">James</a>!</p>
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I went to a great tasting event not that long ago, but the kind of &#8220;trade&#8221; tasting that has me scratching my head. Who goes to these things, and what do they achieve?
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<p>I went to a great tasting event not that long ago, but the kind of &#8220;trade&#8221; tasting that has me scratching my head. <strong>Who goes to these things, and what do they achieve?</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;Trade&#8221; tastings are officially intended to offer insights into certain wines (by region, style, importer) etc. to those whose job it is to buy, promote, review, or sell wines. However, this definition encompasses a great many people, and the reality is that they are mainly about reaching out hopefully to try and find an audience and champion, and avoid too many people coming simply for the free booze.</p>
<p>The problem is that they cost a LOT and achieve rather less, and the biggest issue is that many of the people there selling their wines don&#8217;t know what they want to achieve.</p>
<p>Anyway, the tasting in question was the <a href="http://www.grandscruschablis.fr/">Union des Grands Crus de Chablis</a> (I&#8217;ve linked this, but since the site has not been updated since 2008, not much point clicking through). An organisation of some of the best producers of a marvellous style of wine, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chablis_%28wine%29">Chablis</a>, representing the top fraction of wine produced in what is already a tiny region in France. The thing is, those who are invited all KNOW they are great. Why spend so much money hiring a room, marketing an event, flying over and pouring free samples in order to tell us so?</p>
<p>In order to try and work out what they were hoping to achieve, I asked most of the producers there who they thought their customers are. I got two &#8220;stock&#8221; answers:</p>
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<li>Slightly older consumers, already well off, who know what they like, buying these wines in top restaurants</li>
<li>Those who recognise that Grand Cru Chablis is &#8220;better value that other top White Burgundies&#8221;</li>
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<p>Well, the second answer is just ridiculous. Buying my own <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747">Boeing 747</a> might be cheaper than running my own private <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde">Concorde</a>, but I still can get around the world quite easily without either.</p>
<p>The first is more worrying. Not only does it show a worrying lack of any understanding of the nature and motivation of those who choose £30-£50+ bottles of wine, but those folks are disappearing!</p>
<p>Being almost 40 (shock!) I remember a time about 20 years ago when ordering a &#8220;Chablis&#8221; was still a demonstration of great wine knowledge. When faced with hundreds of French &amp; Italian wine options, knowing this one word made a great difference. These drinkers, trained on this style, were then more likely to &#8216;trade up&#8217; to Chablis Premier Cru for special occasions, and eventually maybe discover Chablis Grand Cru as the boom-time bank accounts allowed.</p>
<p>The problem is that keen wine novices are no longer weaned on Chablis, and these are no longer boom times. Choices in general are much better, better value and more varied. Ordering a bottle of Chablis is no longer the &#8216;quality default&#8217; it used to be.</p>
<p><strong>The Chablis consumer pipeline is drying up.</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;Classic&#8221; wine regions that simply rest on their laurels can become outmoded and struggle to become relevant again. Think about Sherry, Madeira and others . I&#8217;m not saying Chablis will disappear, but will it become sidelined?</p>
<p>The time has come for several things:</p>
<ul>
<li>Cooperate! Producers need to work together, properly, to promote regions and their brands. Regionality is a key differentiator in wine that needs better promotion, and the benefits only come if producers can communicate its distinctiveness.</li>
<li>Invest! Investing in marketing and working out who the customer is and what motivates them &#8211; then work out how to reach them.</li>
<li>Engage! Stop preaching to the converted at cosy trade events, and reach out to consumers. If people want to buy the wine, the trade sales will follow. Two year old websites are an embarrassment.</li>
<li>Stay relevant! See these wines in a much broader, modern, context &#8211; understand that consumers have many more options.</li>
</ul>
<p>Hopefully a new generation of consumers can be reminded that Chablis wines ARE distinctive and delicious, and that exploring them can be rewarding, but the UGCC must get its act together if these new customers are to arrive before the current crop die out.</p>
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I&#8217;m guessing that you&#8217;ve heard of the Wii? A large number of  you will own one, or someone in your family will. I know mine do &#8211; they ALL do in fact. I&#8217;m also guessing that until the Wii came out, many of  those who now have one would not have said they [...]]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;m guessing that you&#8217;ve heard of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii">Wii</a>? A large number of  you will own one, or someone in your family will. I know mine do &#8211; they <strong>ALL</strong> do in fact. I&#8217;m also guessing that until the Wii came out, many of  those who now have one would not have said they would be buying a <a class="zem_slink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console" title="Video game console" rel="wikipedia">games  console</a>.</p>
<p>Did you realise that the Nintendo Wii has almost 50% market <a href="http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=7196">share of games  consoles</a> around the world? That&#8217;s almost 70 MILLION Wii  units in  houses across the globe. I didn&#8217;t. Now, I&#8217;m not a gamer, and  you  probably aren&#8217;t either, so WHO CARES?</p>
<p><strong>Answer: Any business who wants to  go from nowhere to 50% share in 3 years  should care, really!</strong></p>
<p>So what helped to change their minds?</p>
<p>Was it the graphics speed? Was it the control device (wiimote)? Was  it the funny name? Was it the design of the console itself that was so  desirable? Was it because it loaded faster, or more easily? Was it made  by special kinds of robots, or with particular components? Was it because it won all sorts of awards?</p>
<p>I doubt it.</p>
<p>Most importantly, what are the lessons to be learned for wine? Simple. It is about <strong>Benefits &amp; Features</strong>. Nintendo didn&#8217;t just try to steal market share from competitors, they  set out to &#8220;get new people playing games&#8221; [<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii#cite_note-IwataSony-83">from  Wikipedia</a>].</p>
<p>While Sony &amp; Microsoft tried to out-do each other in innovations  of features that were important to gamers (graphics, sound, movie  tie-ins), Nintendo focused on making their product fit into our lives.  Yours and mine.</p>
<p>To this audience, the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">features</span> of the Wii, or any games  console, were immaterial. This audience simply had no reason to want to  play games involving shooting zombies or scoring goals.</p>
<p>So was the brilliant thing the Wii did then? <strong>They  convinced us that it wasn&#8217;t a games console, it was a family entertainment tool AND a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_fit">fitness aid</a>.</strong></p>
<p>BRILLIANT!</p>
<p>They stopped talking about Features and found new Benefits.</p>
<p>I could go on (many gaming sites don&#8217;t seem to understand <a href="http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/jonesrm/playstation-move-nintendo-and-the-battle-for-market-share/30-39165/">this issue</a> either it seems), but lets get back to wine.</p>
<p>How many times have you read: &#8220;Handpicked&#8221;, &#8220;Careful selection&#8221;, &#8220;de-stemming&#8221;, &#8220;french oak&#8221;, &#8220;tannins&#8221;, &#8220;fruit&#8221;, etc. on a wine label? Pretty much EVERY time. These are FEATURES of the wine, and not only that, they rarely vary from one wine to another.</p>
<p>We (all) happen to have palates that can distinguish minute chemical differences between these wines, which is just as well, because in terms of message, wine brands are virtually indistinguishable from each other.</p>
<p>What could you say about your wine, or the wine in your glass, if you couldn&#8217;t talk about ANY features and only mention benefits? Most of us would struggle, because the only benefits we are used to talking about are &#8220;being more social&#8221; and, ultimately, inebriation.</p>
<p>Wine does not have a ready-made lexicon of terms for the benefits of this product, but it MUST develop one if it is to reach out to consumers and make wine relevant to them. Only the most creative, brave and switched-on brands will have the capacity to drive this forward, and the problem is that these are very few and far-between at the moment.</p>
<p>However, this is not just a money game. What is interesting is that this problem *might* be resolved by throwing lots of money at it; recruiting global advertising agencies, research bodies, copywriters, media buyers and more. It might also be resolved by speaking to consumers and actually asking them what the wine brand <span style="text-decoration: underline;">means</span> to them, and that is where clever, lucky and energetic wineries with social media strategies can actually benefit.</p>
<p>Who knows if this will happen. I feel strongly that it is something that the wine business needs to resolve. We cannot continue to flog the dead horse of today&#8217;s wine messages. We are not reaching the consumer and the business is suffering.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m off to play Wii Tennis with my kids and get fit. What about you? Still drinking that stuff made from hand-picked grapes stuffed in wooden barrels for ages? Boring!</p>
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<p>No, this time it isn&#8217;t THAT kind of wine list.</p>
<p>This is about the the <a href="http://help.twitter.com/entries/76460-how-to-use-twitter-lists">Twitter List</a> facility. This particular social media tool is somewhat flawed in my opinion, however, if you want to provide value to others then you should consider using them.</p>
<p>Lists are a means of keeping up with a particular group of twitterers. It isn&#8217;t just about the group of people that are included, it is a way of seeing all their tweets in one &#8230; list*.</p>
<p>If you are in the wine business, you should consider using them to provide value to yourself and others. Many users simply create generic categories such as &#8220;wine&#8221; or &#8220;friends&#8221; with 100+ members. If they follow thousands and need a way to separate this group, that&#8217;s fine, but the value to anyone else is very limited.</p>
<p>Instead, you might consider putting together something specific to your area of interest, relating to your own brand values &amp; story. Your knowledge (and time) could be worth lots to someone else, a value they may repay in other ways.</p>
<p>For example, I don&#8217;t have a generic &#8216;wine&#8217; list (apart from anything, I follow almost 3000 and lists are limited to 500 people). Instead, I have created 4 lists of reasonable value, I hope, to different people but which would have been difficult for them to put together themselves:</p>
<p><a href="http://twitter.com/thirstforwine/masters-of-wine">Masters of Wine on Twitter</a> (Members: 30 &#8211; Followers: 93)<br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/thirstforwine/uk-wine-retailers">UK Wine Merchants on Twitter</a> (Members: 72 &#8211; Followers: 43)<br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/thirstforwine/english-wineries">UK Wineries on Twitter</a> (Members: 12 &#8211; Followers: 6)<br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/thirstforwine/bordeaux2009">Bordeaux 2009 En Primeur Campaign</a> (Members: 56 &#8211; Followers: 40)</p>
<p>Some have ongoing value (such as the MWs list), some are more temporary.</p>
<p>The last list is what prompted me to write this post. I wasn&#8217;t greatly involved in the En Primeur campaign, but others asked me my views on twitter. Rather than retweeting lots of individuals&#8217; thoughts, I created an easy way to track comments about the campaign from those who were actually there. An amazing development compared to past campaigns.</p>
<p>Now anyone could easily see hundreds of tweets each day about the Bordeaux 2009 primeur tastings from some of the top names in wine writing and retailing. Reading all their columns and reviews could cost you hundreds of dollars/pounds/euros in subscription charges (not to mention the cost of the wines). This was free and immediate.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure the Bordeaux list has ongoing value (little binds this group of 56 individuals other than their shared interest in wine), but for a moment it was a valuable service.</p>
<p>What lists could you create? Wineries in your region? Tourist resources in your town? Wine merchants selling your wines around the world? Wine bloggers you have met?</p>
<p>* Note; one thing often forgotten about Lists is that they do not include @ replies (messages to another person directly) UNLESS that other person is also on the same list. Confusing!? Thought so. In any case, this is not the entire output of the listed members, but should represent their most &#8216;public&#8217; messages.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve got a list that is particularly popular, or should be, let me know. I might create a list of wine-related Lists on the blog</p>
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