Wine research through a distorted lens

 

Last week, an organisation called Wine Intelligence put out a press release concerning the apparent lack of trust consumers had in wine bloggers. I can only imagine it was intended to bait bloggers and commentators into some sort of argument to create headlines.

Ryan Opaz and I talked about it and found there were simply too many questions raised not to comment on it. We’re not sure how else to explain some of the conclusions from an organisation that is trying to sell a research report “worth” £1,300.

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Let me start with the headline:

Independent bloggers are one of the least trusted wine information sources in the UK, USA and France, according to research published today, despite the growing importance of the Internet as a source of information about wine.

A headline worthy of tabloid newspapers, or even untrustworthy “independent bloggers”. Hardly the sort of interpretation that would make me trust an organisation that wants to sell me their analysis of the state of the wine “internet and social media”.

Who are these “independent bloggers”?

There is no explanation. Does it include blogs written by the same merchants that the “regular wine drinkers” apparently trust so much? What about the blogs published unofficially by their staff? What about the many blogs published by wine magazines, journalists, importers, wineries, and even research organisations? What about blogging wine personalities like Jancis Robinson, Tim Atkin, Alder Yarrow, Dr. Vino and others? No?

I’d love to see the definition, and the carefully vetted segmentation applied to the 1000+ worldwide wine blogs covered by this statement.

Maybe it is just intended to capture all those individuals who don’t happen to work in the wine business, have not gone through standardised wine trade education schemes, and happen to be writing about wine for their own entertainment and education? The folks who have no “borrowed’ trust and must establish themselves individually. In which case they seem to be doing pretty well to be considered at all and we should salute them!

If that is how they define bloggers then they must realize that these blogs are word-of-mouth amplified by technology platforms, and as such they are trusted by certain very important people – their friends.

What do you mean by “least trusted”?

According to the research, focusing on the UK for now;

1 in 5 regular wine drinkers in the UK trust what independent bloggers say about a wine, compared with the 50%+ who trust what they hear over the counter in a wine merchant.

AND

… just under half the wine drinking populations in [the UK and France use] the Internet for wine information and 16% using social media.

Let’s examine this.

If 16% of all regular wine drinkers “use social media,” they presumably mean that they are on Facebook, Twitter and (whisper it) read blogs. Let’s make the outrageous assumption that you can only trust, or not trust, something you have actually “used” – otherwise the view is not an informed one. The report is supposed to be about the sources of wine information, not the public perception of blogging as this would apply equally to anyone involved in it, not just the poor old “independent” ones.

I’d venture that the numerical similarity of “16%” and “1 in 5″ means that bloggers might actually be trusted by the VAST majority of those who have bothered to check them out.

In fact, even the headline 20% figure means that a great many wine consumers DO have some trust in bloggers, and if you were to look at particular segments of the population who are heavy social media users, you might even find that they are a MAJOR source of trust. Why be negative about something so new and still developing?

Isn’t it actually more shocking that consumers think that 50% of wine shops are lying to our FACES? Bloggers are publishing stuff for lots of strangers to read/watch/hear that they may never meet. These merchants on the other hand are on the other side of the counter, and half of what they say is either wrong or are lies! Apparently.

Market differences

In the USA, websites run by wine shops, newspapers and smaller wine producers are the most used online sources, while supermarket websites rank below Facebook as a source of wine information. The UK tells a different story with supermarket websites proving the most popular online source, whilst in France the brand or producer websites are the most important destinations for consumers seeking knowledge

Does this shock anyone? In the US the vast majority of wine is sold by merchants and wineries, virtually none in supermarkets. The UK market is reversed. The only shock would be that people didn’t trust the people selling them the wine – oh, wait, we did discover that above, but we prefer to bash bloggers.

We considered ignoring the release, but one or two industry news sources decided to pick up on the story and as these things can easily become “fact” (interestingly a criticism usually aimed at bloggers), we felt it might be worth pointing out some of the flaws in the argument for the record.

I’m only able to base my response to the press release, there’s no way I am paying £1,300 for a research report (especially one that promotes itself with inflammatory headlines), so I suspect that SOME of these points may be addressed in the detail. If so, I look forward to hearing from anyone who has read it, … if they bother reading any wine blogs.

Oh! One final irony …

This Wine Intelligence press release, and other reports, were published on a WordPress blog platform! If  the market doesn’t trust bloggers, by extension should we not be trusting this report?

:)

Robert McIntosh and Ryan Opaz

UPDATE: 07 Feb 2011:

Thank you to everyone for your comments, discussion points and feedback, we really appreciate it. Ultimately, the argument is not about research or how to write a press release, it is about perception of social media opportunities. I feel strongly that while other industries are adapting to take advantage of new ways of reaching customers, the wine trade will miss out if they don’t take it more seriously.

Separately, you might like to check out some of the articles that came out since we posted this, including a riposte by Wine Intelligence and some comments from a US perspective including some good research by @winewonkette

Wine Intelligence: Bloggers Bite Back
Vinography: Why trust a wine blogger
Another Wine Blog: Wine Intelligence admits Bias, Ulterior Motives in “Wine Blogger Distrust” Release

There will also be something in the printed edition (and hopefully online) of Harpers this week (10 Feb 2011) as I was asked for a small contribution to the debate.

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  • Zev Robinson

    Playing with statistics again, and although one can’t really judge without reading the whole report, it’s pretty vague. What does trust mean, and what is a regular wine drinker? Do they actually “mistrust” wine bloggers or is it just a case of going into a shop and asking their merchant what to recommend, as they are the most convenient and available source at hand? If a wine blogger was in the shop at the same time, would they say, no I don’t trust you, I need another source?
    The regular wine drinker, for starters for the report to make any sense, would have to be divided into those who just want an entry level enjoyable wine, those who are somewhat interested in wine, and those who are passionate about it and read all they can.

  • http://www.delongwine.com Steve De Long

    It reminds me of the old saying: “there are 3 types of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics” It would be interesting to hear how they conducted their surveys, but not 1200 quid interesting.

  • Ben

    Thanks for backing us up Robert! I’m sure that most wine bloggers are linked to the industry in some way, for example I’m an Key Account Manager for a large UK wine merchant, WSET advanced certified and use blogging to voice my opinions and love for wine, while hopefully educating and pointing consumers in the right directions. http://www.number1wino.co.uk twitter: @number1wino

  • http://www.grapefan.blogspot.com Colin Smith

    Their sampling is surely pretty dubious. It says “compared with the 50%+ who trust what they hear over the counter in a wine merchant”.

    How many wine drinkers in the UK actually use a wine merchant? Haven’t Wine Intelligance done reserach that shows the number to be pitifully low compared to those who buy in a supermarket?

    Surely this is going to give highly skewed results?

  • http://arnoldwaldstein.com/ awaldstein

    Robert and Ryan

    Debating ignorance and veiled ‘intelligence’ seemed best left undone so I left this alone when I read it.

    I’m glad you guys have the fortitude to weigh into this battle though.

    Trust and reputation are trackable and verifiable on the web. There is very little ambiguity in the data. The value is there if one cares to do the work to gather the info to prove it.

    You have to question the motivation behind the ‘report’ though. Starting a campaign to deny the value of the web and its relationship to information gathering and purchasing seems retro at best and wacko at its core.

  • Winedog

    It’s sounds Rovian to me. Repeat the same BS enough times and people will think it’s the truth.

  • http://cambridgewineblogger.blogspot.com/ Tom Lewis

    Robert and Ryan

    There seems to have been a bit of a buzz around blogger reliability and independence recently and to my mind it’s all part of a general conversation about the nature of blogging as a new phenomenon; it does not fit neatly into any established category (PR, advertorial, professional journalism) and is not regulated or have any code of ethics (in the UK at least).

    This is bound to change over time as blogging becomes a more standardised and professional activity.

    The debate on blogger reliability is an interesting one, but I like to stick to some key principles – I don’t take money for reviews, the opinions expressed are my own and if anything is a freebie (either the wine or the event I attend), I disclose it in the review.

    For what it’s worth, here are my more detailed thoughts on the matter:

    http://cambridgewineblogger.blogspot.com/2011/01/on-blogger-independence-and-disclosure.html

    Cheers, Tom

    • http://arnoldwaldstein.com/ awaldstein

      Hi Tom…nice to find you here.

      I’m a fan of yours as you know but need to jump right in and disagree.

      Blogging cannot become standardized nor professionalized. That is just not what it is about. It’s the idea of a platform for expression. The filters of belief are up to each reader.

      The whole idea is that a blog becomes credible or useful as its readers choose it to be so. I follow your blog because of the breadth of wine you taste and your good taste and excellent writing. I’ve referred it to my friends and they will choose to read it or not as they will.

      As pertains to whether you are given wine to taste of not…it doesn’t matter all that much. We are sharing our feelings and opinions about wine. If over time you provide me with info that helps me find new great bottles, I’m happy and it is of little concern whether you paid for them or not to me. I get blogger’s discount at many shops and write what I care to. That discount doesn’t impact much of anything. My only policy is that I only write about what I like and want to share. If something is not great, I simply move on.

      The wine industry is late to the party and ready for a massive disintermediation of how we find out information and buy our wines. My opinon is that control and rules are the wrong direction. Each of us will make up our own mind about what we believe. And with a bottle of wine, personal opinion is honestly all there is.

      So…please keep tasting and blogging. You are broadening my world and I thank you.

  • http://burg.cx Thomas N. Burg

    I’ve read only the teaser of the report but (as a retailer) I think that blogger’s (or be it on Twitter/Facebook/a forum etc.) reviews and recommendations are relevant in an online world (that might be different offline though)

  • http://www.1winedude.com 1WineDude

    I’ve got a piece coming up on WineCrushBlog.com about this press release with similar conclusions.

    What I find almost unbelievable is that the findings actually support growing influence of wine blogs in the UK but this fact is being ignored and/or twisted by the report and by its subsequent coverage (hapers.co.uk has a piece on it online, on which I’ve commented saying the same thing but so far my comment hasn’t been approved, which is also a bit strange).

    Essentially, 1 in 5 people in te UK trust wine blogs for info. according to this report. So instead of saying that ONLY 20% of the UK market in potentially influenced by bloggers, why are they ignoring the storyline that bloggers have “captured” 20% of the UK wine market in terms of influence, in what amounts to record time (probably less than 5 years)?

    I don’t get it, apart from sensationalism trying to draw eyeballs and GBP. But if that’s the case, then anyone spending $2K on that report is wasting their money (my advice: invest it in blog, twitter, and FB page design!).

    • http://thirstforwine.co.uk thirstforwine

      yes, I had the same feeling and saw your tweet – a very good point!

    • Philippevin

      Very well put.
      Same thing when the weatherman says there’s half chance that it’s going to rain tomorrow.
      I agree everyone should keep on investing in growing the online market instead of buying studies stating the world is not ready for the change.
      Cheers

  • RichardHal

    Rob, Ryan

    Fantastic stuff. As one of the authors of the report in question, I thought it would be helpful to respond.

    While asking some sensible questions about our research methods and findings (which I would have been very happy to answer – you have my contact details!) you have succeeded in encapsulating, in one post, some of the issues this medium faces.

    To answer your questions:

    Who are independent bloggers?
    Exactly what it says on the tin. I would think respondents would interpret this as individuals who are not overtly/visibly connected to an organisation that either sells wine (like a wine shop) or sells other kinds of information (like a newspaper), or is operating under a known offline generic brand (eg Decanter).

    What do you mean by “least trusted”?
    We mean overall trust levels in different sources of information. The other sources asked about were: friends/family, wine merchants, wine producers, supermarkets, wine region/producer association, mainstream wine brand.
    I accept the point that people who don’t use a particular medium are less likely to find it trustworthy, though it’s unclear in this data whether their non-use is to do with ignorance or *because* they don’t trust it. One for us to ask next time I think.
    To answer the sub-question in your piece: when we isolate people who use social media in relation to wine (around 15% of respondents) we find that their trust in independent blogs is significantly higher (around 44% of respondents). However even for this group it remains the least trusted source compared with the other six.
    By the way there is a “neither / nor” and a “don’t know” option in the answers, so that respondents who don’t tick “I trust x” are not automatically accusing said source of “lying to our faces”.

    On the whole the reaction I’ve read elsewhere has been thought-provoking and interesting. I can understand the querying of data and findings – I do it myself, whenever I see research reported.

    Your post made me laugh for several reasons. First, the dark hints of a conspiracy theory that we were somehow out to kill this delicate flower of the wine blog. Come one. If anything, the fact that an organisation such as ours is tracking this area, at our own expense, is probably evidence of your sector’s growing power and influence. I also particularly enjoyed the techno-snooty comment at the end about WordPress. . . . just the most popular blogging app on the planet. . . but clearly inferior of course. Finally, I suppose, it’s a wry reflection that you had a chance to check some facts with me first, and then write your critique in all its glory, but apparently this was just too much effort.

    Keep up the good work!

    • http://thirstforwine.co.uk thirstforwine

      Thanks for the comment Richard. We definitely need to keep discussing these issues, but this post was our reaction to the press release rather than an investigative post on the report. If you want to send me a copy of the report to review, I’d be happy to include some comments and interviews with you.

      I still find it strange that your research concept of “independent blogger” is not clearer. Everyone will interpret this differently, so how meaningful is the figure? In the UK I’d say MOST bloggers have some wine trade affiliation, is that taken into account?

      It confuses the category of person (friend, merchant, producer, …) and the medium through which you communicate with them. Did your respondents trust their friends less if they blogged about a wine recommendation? Do they trust a journalist less if they write on a blog platform? It doesn’t make sense, yet it is your headline.

      Let me clarify two misunderstandings expressed in your last paragraph though:

      1. There are no conspiracy theories about you “killing blogging” – quite the contrary. We know it is growing and exciting, but so many others do not, partly because they read headlines like this one, so we are frustrated by the negative tone.

      We take a “glass is half full” approach to social media, this release was the opposite. WHY say “least trusted” when you could have said “have already achieved a substantial level of support in a short time”? It is what the wine trade does so much already, and more headlines like this means that businesses are missing opportunities.

      2. I’m not sure how you could interpret my comment about wordpress as “techno-snooty”. I use it myself for this blog and don’t hide the fact. I love wordpress. I have a link on my footer, which you don’t, but since I recognised the structure I simply pointed out that it was ironic to take what sounded like a general swipe at “bloggers” when you were using the same platform they did to get their content out. Nothing more.

    • http://twitter.com/WineOfTheWeek Gavin Williams

      Richard. Clearly you’ve provoked a reaction from those of us who are active in this area. Most of us are all seasoned enough to know that you’ve pitched the press release to create some traction and you are quite right to do so. Many of us are also seasoned enough to know that traditionally your digital insights have been pretty wayward.

      So, how about a suggestion. Why don’t you invite a selection of the bloggers to review the the full content of your research piece and allow them to provide a counterpoint to your bizarre findings. I imagine this will add to the depth your research piece and perhaps give you an understanding of some of the trusted interactions that are bloggers foster with their readers.

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  • Guest

    I have a friend who has recently bought a ton of whiskey probably worth more than his car and it prompted me to write about wine. I think the logic was that he could make more money doing this than simply leaving it in the bank. My experience tells me that if we don’t know what we are doing, it could really backfire. I know people who have bought expensive things only to find out that they can’t sell them later on. Who should we be trusting? http://www.whoisbid.com/wine-bid.html